{"id":608,"date":"2010-07-31T21:06:20","date_gmt":"2010-08-01T01:06:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/energyrealist.com\/?p=608"},"modified":"2010-10-19T20:49:43","modified_gmt":"2010-10-20T00:49:43","slug":"a-solar-sales-pitch","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/?p=608","title":{"rendered":"A solar sales pitch"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A few nights ago I attended a sales pitch at my local Home Depot.\u00a0 I was not impressed.\u00a0 The benefits of decentralized solar electricity (and solar thermal) are so obvious it seems almost a no-brainer to go ahead with it.\u00a0 Yet sales efforts like this guarantee a &#8220;no thanks&#8221; response.<\/p>\n<p>[Update 8\/15\/2010 at end]<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The audience was\u00a0three people.\u00a0 Why      only three?\u00a0 HD made little effort to drum up interest apart from a      hand drawn sign which then disappeared altogether in the 2 or so weeks      before the event.\u00a0 (Of the three people, one seemed to be a genuine      prospect, the other was\u00a0seeking work in the solar\u00a0industry and      the third was me gathering information, but not really a prospect &#8211; my house      faces totally the wrong way and has shading problems as well)<\/li>\n<li>There was no sign\u00a0pointing to the location      of the &#8220;seminar&#8221;.<\/li>\n<li>The seminar, on a humid evening when air conditioning would be welcome,\u00a0was set up      in the outside garden section,\u00a0in an aisle with bags of      fertilizer and lawn seed.\u00a0 It smelt bad and shoppers wandered by loading their      carts.\u00a0 We sat on the display patio furniture.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div id=\"attachment_620\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/HD-venue-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-620\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-620\" title=\"HD venue (1)\" src=\"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/HD-venue-1-300x229.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"229\" srcset=\"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/HD-venue-1-300x229.jpg 300w, https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/HD-venue-1-1024x782.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/07\/HD-venue-1.jpg 1703w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-620\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Is this the right venue to sell a $60,000+ system?<\/p><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>The presenter had a computer with him, but instead used a      three ring binder of black and white slides\u00a0to make his pitch.<\/li>\n<li>The basic message was that solar energy saved      money and reduced the user&#8217;s carbon footprint.\u00a0 A major point was that      energy prices will inevitably rise.\u00a0 This is all accepted and      probably not news to anyone who is even remotely interested in solar power.<\/li>\n<li>The sales &#8220;hook&#8221; was why would you      &#8220;rent&#8221; your electricity from the power company, when you could      &#8220;own&#8221; it.\u00a0 I have to admit; this is good angle on the whole      discussion.<\/li>\n<li>One pricing example showed a &#8220;6.88K&#8221;      system (presumably that means 6.88KWh per day &#8211; (see correction at end of post)) at $43,344 initial      cost.\u00a0 [Which is\u00a0$6.30 per W].\u00a0 Another example had      13.44KWh at $67,725 [$5.04 per W].\u00a0\u00a0The examples then deducted the 30% federal tax      credit &#8211; which is applicable if one pays enough tax &#8211; and a <strong><em>possible<\/em><\/strong> NJ Clean      energy of 75 cents per watt [$5160 in the 6.88KW case.\u00a0 There is a      $7500 cap on the residential incentive.]\u00a0 A full explanation of      current (July 2010) New Jersey incentives is at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.njcleanenergy.com\/files\/file\/Library\/HW%202010%20Residential%20EE%20%20RE%20Programs%20Budget%20Reallocation%206-7-10.pdf\">NJ Clean Energy site<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>The big drawback of the NJ system is that it is      a LOTTERY &#8211; applications will be selected at random.\u00a0 [This is a      quite unworkable system and many <a href=\"http:\/\/www.njcleanenergy.com\/files\/file\/Library\/COMMENTS%20-%20V4.pdf\">comments from the industry<\/a> bear that out]<\/li>\n<li>The presenter quoted some research that showed      house values increased by $20 for each $1 of energy saved per year.\u00a0      That would increase the value of a house with a 10KWh system by about      $32,000.\u00a0 [I don&#8217;t think this would influence buyers of solar systems, because most have a long term commitment to their houses.\u00a0 If one had to sell after installing a PV system in the current market a solar system will probably attract      buyer attention and may make the house sell faster.\u00a0 How to put a      number on that is another problem]<\/li>\n<li>Financing such a large initial home improvement      expense is of course the problem.\u00a0 The presenter did not want to get      very specific, but the options appear to be:\n<ul>\n<li>Finance it yourself &#8211; from cash that happens to be       lying around, a home equity loan, or a special loan, apparently a special       through HD [I am not sure about this] at 5.99% over 15 years.\u00a0 [If one has the cash, or can get a good loan, solar PV is a good investment &#8211; always providing the SRECs work out as planned.]<\/li>\n<li>Lease the system &#8211; for 15 years, at a price       roughly equal to the current electrical bill.\u00a0 The upside is that       the lease costs will stay stable, where the electricity costs are sure to       increase.\u00a0 What happens at the end of the lease is not clear &#8211; enter       another lease, or purchase the system at some agreed residual?\u00a0 [The real benefit of the lease approach is that the leasing company (which I assume will work with HD or the subcontracted supplier &#8211; this was not made clear) assumes the SREC risk.\u00a0 The downside is that there is no immediate saving in electricity charges, and there is the future purchase or lease renewal.]<\/li>\n<li>The numbers will differ by individual,       depending primarily on electricity usage and federal taxes.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>The SREC paybacks make all the difference [see<a href=\"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/?p=601\"> my separate earlier blog on SRECs<\/a>].\u00a0 The\u00a0HD presenter said they were      based on a federal mandate that the industry reach a\u00a020% alternative      energy goal.\u00a0 There is no such federal mandate, and now that the      energy bill is dead, little likelihood\u00a0for any reintroduction for a      while. [This will be my next entry in this blog]\u00a0 <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Renewable_portfolio_standard\">This Wikipedia      article<\/a> shows details of the various states&#8217; renewable industry goals.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Bottom line?\u00a0 Still not convincing.\u00a0 Financing needs to be far more crisp and attractive, and the sales people need to be professional and informed before solar PV has a chance to grow in the residential market.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE &#8211; In the original post I throw some doubt on the calculations of increased market value for a house fitted with solar panels.\u00a0 An <a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB10001424052748704407804575425512927624110.html?mod=djemRealEstate_h\">article in the Wall Street Journal<\/a> makes the same point.\u00a0 Some buyers may find the panels a turn-on, some will be turned off by them.\u00a0 The WSJ bottom line: buying or leasing solar panels is a marginal proposition unless you intend to stay in the house for 10 years or more.\u00a0 OR &#8211; and the WSJ does <em>not<\/em> say this &#8211; unless fossil fuel prices increase a lot &#8211; as they should&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>CORRECTION &#8211; this number was originally given as KWh per year, it is of course per day.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Poor sales effort!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-608","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/608","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=608"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/608\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":610,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/608\/revisions\/610"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=608"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=608"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/energyrealist.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=608"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}